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[0:43] Pizzeria in Bushwick, Brooklyn. Special special show for you today. We have, as usual, in the studio. Nastasia the Hammer Lopez. How you doing, Stas? We got David in the booth, Dave, how you doing? doing great. Nice. But today, today is the special rock star wine tasting, right? We got a bunch of rock star wines, some owned by rock star, some not. And to share this with you. We have a bunch of special guests. We have returning to the program, Jordana Rothman. Hi guys. Whoa, you got a, you got a burn. You got an air horn. Nice, nice. And, you know, maybe if we have time, we'll talk smack about Burning Man and cocktails and giving each other crap and whatnot. We have also the, what's your, Daniel? What's your title there at the Sirius Heats now? I always forget. Culinary director. Culinary director Daniel Gritzer. What up, what up? welcome back to the show. By the way, if any of you want to call in your. By the way, get ready now if you want to call in questions. 2718-4972128. Thats 718-497-2128. But try to keep your questions relatively either rock star related, or line related, because we got a lot to get through today. We'll deal with all of your non-rockstar and non-wine questions later. Now, to round out our actual, like, information because, you know, we're not bad people, right? We're not bad people. Right? Okay. But we're not like, we're not, we're not, none of us are professionally kind of rock star folk or wine folk.

[2:04] Actually, I have a, I have a career as a rock star on the side. Well, at least so sweet. Is that actually true? It is. He's actually written. He's actually written a song with Nastasia the Hammer and I. Yeah, I had my rap date. called slap your balls. Well, I wish you had told my 2 dogs that last week when they had balls before I had them

[2:22] snipped off at the vets. Uh, but uh, more about that. Now you have like different ball songs coming through my head, because it's not appropriate. All right. So let's start with, let's start with our rock and roll cred. We have Anthony Boza, who is welcome to the show. Very glad to be here Yeah, I ate multi, multi. New York Times best-selling author has worked with the likes of slash. We'll get into it later if we have time, but like, how is that? Was that okay? was amazing. Yeah? Yeah, it was great. Did you seen him without the hat and glasses? I used to go to his house. because he liked to get interviewed from like midnight till 4 in the morning and he usually would open the door in a robe with a turban. That is sick. So kind of a had a guest still, but... Was he doing like a hair mask? He had just showered and he had a white robe on that said slash. Yeah. It's like that That is, you know what? Pretty rock. That's the life. That's just at home. Yeah, who else? Who else? Who else have you like in that in that Tommy Lee? How was that? In the Pamela days or not in the Pamela days? Nope, it was in the days when he wasn't in Motley Crue, and I lived with him. I ended up living with him. This 1st time I did a co-write didn't know what it was going to be like, ended up living in his house for 9 months. That's gotta be... Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Did you act? I did be on penicillin a couple times. Did you ask him about and or write about their, like, bet to see who could, like, go out and not shower the longest and

[3:45] still, like, get it on with the ladies on a constant basis? Is that is that apocryphal or is that true story? That's pretty true. does not like to shower that much. Wow. Yeah, he calls it the rain closet, though. That's his little pet word for a shower. He's like, I'm hoping the rain closet, dude. Be right back. Now, this is a family show. saying that right now. But for any of you that go out and for any of you, go out and watch the famous online, like, explicit video of Tommy Lee and Pamela when they were together,

[4:15] right? I want you to reimagine that without any showering for a long period of time. a good thing they were on a boat. Yeah, yeah. Airing everything out with the sea breezes. Yeah. What was the other one you said after Tommy Lee? By the way, why do they pronounce it Motley Crue with all the Omla? Should it be Mert Lloyd Crewa? Did you ask him that? We didn't get to that one, but you know. Next time. All right. And last, but certainly not least. We brought our wine cred with Clifton Hyde, who is Assam. Where are you song, Clifton? I work with the Royal Wine Group doing mostly high-end stuff for lots of rich people around. Oh, hi, and me, me, me, me. But also a member of the freaking blue man group. What? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you get tired of eating marshmallows. You have to wash it down with some wine so it works out well. This is strong business. People, people, this is some strong business. And we have a lot of wines to get through. And once we get Clifton liquored up. He might do some tricks with like ping pong balls and catching all sorts of crazy stuff with various things and whatnot.

[5:20] He's not dressed in blue. I hear the tryouts for the blue man group are just freaking bananas. Yeah, it's pretty nice. But it's like almost like a hazing, right? Yeah, well, 1st of all, just the initial audition, you're going to room with 100 people and they give you, they play a song for you and you're expected to memorize it and play it back on one

[5:37] listen and they change it for each person. With those weird organs? All the, yeah, it's instruments you've never played before. So it's crazy stuff. And so then that wheedles it down to a lot. Then after that, it's just a couple of months of just craziness and craziness, and then they keep putting me in front of people the whole time to see if you break under pressure and stuff.

[5:53] It's fun. I have 2 questions. How long does it take to get the makeup off? I got to, well, I gotten most of it off within like 10 minutes. Wow. Whoa. You get pretty good at it. Like, you're, like, date ready in 10 minutes or you still, like, uh, well, for visual picture, he's got a beard and a mustache. mustache. mustache. So I'm trying to imagine like the blue. Yeah, it just cakes in there. I used to say fuck it. And you know, if anyone asks you, just something, that's not a roll. All right, okay. And the 2nd thing is, is, uh, I imagine, like, gratifying and fun, but also

[6:26] soul crushing? continues to be fun. Well, I haven't done it since 12, which is funny, actually. I did do some percussion work with them on Sunday night. But no, it's one of the few things that's actually pretty... it's always fun because the crowd's there and it's very improvisational with the crowd and you get to mess with them. So, I ran screaming from Blue Man Group, the only time I ever went, too much touching. What? For you, you thought there was too much touching. This is Jordana Rockman talking. If Jordana Rothman says there's too much touching. It's a Caligula movie. Let's put it down. That was probably Clifton. Yeah, yeah. I think it was like around the after Charles right before you got banished.

[7:07] Yeah, the banishment was going to do. Did the guy have a beard? Yeah. Yeah. All right, all right. Well, actually, like, we got to make a we got to make a bottle orchestra when this is done. Oh, totally. And do a little routine, right? Yeah, it's great. All right, so let's get to it. So we have a bunch of different wines. What are we going to go through first? go through GLM? Yeah, we're gonna do DLM first. Okay. So the premise behind this show is an excuse actually for Nastasia to get some friends on the show and have a good time, which is what we're

[7:35] doing. But in actuality, it's tasting and judging, not just celebrity wines, with which there are many, but rock star wines. that are associated. Now, DLM Della Montagna winery. Dennis is the guy that Nastasia has been in touch with over there. He is a winemaker and has been a winemaker, but really is a huge rock star fan. So he has a lot of collaborations with rock stars and people in the music business, but the wines themselves aren't owned by the rock

[8:05] stars in his case. So which one are we going to go through first? Let's start with the finale, Shan Cone, Pinot Noir, from Sonoma Coast 2013, one of 50 cases produced. So this is 160th of the entire production. Nice, all right. Well, the last, which one is that? that's the grand finale? Just the finale. Okay, the finale. All right, we have later to taste at the end, the grand finale, which is their, like, their, their most kind of, what's their most, uh, it's their most of what's it called? limited. It the most limited, his favorite bottle that they that they make in this series. Now, the finale, the finale wines, is a collaboration who I actually think he does go to the winery and do the actual collaboration with Jonathan Kane.

[8:46] Jonathan Kane is like a musician, uh, slash like

[8:49] a, like a piana player who like, he, he, I looked on the Wikipedia and he has gone to like every journey concert for the last umpteen 1000000 years, played the piano solo, which he wrote in Don't Stop Believing, and then like been like, peace, I'm

[9:03] out, and then like leave. So hopefully for him, they play it near the beginning of the set. Guessing no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just sitting around. Kid's like, come on, guys. He has to make it through separate ways. Yeah, yeah. Free Bird last. You know what? I actually really like separate. song that you hate? That one. separate ways? No, no, no. How do you hate, you hate, don't stop believing, because here's why Nastasia hates, don't stop believing, because she's like,

[9:28] uh, a bunch of people who don't know their butt from a hot rock, just go around singing it and they have no idea. It's the one journey song they know, so I hate it. Nastasia loves old man music actually. No, Dave does. I like I like old man music. I like young man music. I like old woman music. I like young woman music. I like all kind of music. I have, what's her name? What's her name? Carlson or whatever. What's her name? She was on one of the idol things. No, no. Kelly Clarkson? Can I have her on my iPod? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's rocking, dude. Yeah, Sacio likes like listening to Billy Joel. I have a party in the USA on my phone. I could play that for you right now. That I don't have. I have limits. Got to draw the line. I'll just check testing you and just seeing the boundaries there. Here, I'll just say this about my rock, my rock thinking. My rock thinking is this. Like, there's a lot of stuff I hated like growing up that I'm old enough to realize is good now. Like Steve Winwood. Steely Dan. Yeah, Steve Winwood. when he just played recently. Well, back in the day, I had to hate it because of the people that listen to it. Right. In high school. You know what I mean? Or like Chicago? Maybe? Oh, my 1st tape, Chicago 17. Peter Satera's finest effort. Oh, please, the love thing from Karate Kid 2 swords. Oh, man. Does Peter Satera make a wind? That would be amazing. It would have to be white. I don't know. All right. All right, so let's taste this. Oh, no slurping, no slurping in the mic. Our listeners get our listeners get like super pretzel. Now, uh, let me let me give the uh, let me, let me uh, talk about the uh, the finale wines. So, um, the finale is, uh, where is it? Well, why don't you talk about it? Why don't you talk about it, Clifton? I'll find the, I'll find the, Just a small town boy. Just a small town boy. Yeah. South Detroit. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Well, basically, you know, just looking at it, it's definitely unfiltered. Man, yeah, Pinot Noir. By the way, this was shit. This was shipped by UPS. It got bounced. It was in a 100 degree warehouse in UPS this morning.

[11:42] I was like, ah! And so like, I like, just shoveled it back here as fast as possible, like threw it in ice and been spinning it to get it

[11:52] down. I think I got it to the right temperature. I think we're getting the temperature. I also like the idea that it's kind of been footballed a bit before we got here because then it's really much more rock and roll that way. Just like, you know, shake it up, pour, and let's see what happens. See if it holds up. See if it holds up. All right, Clifton, give us a give us a notes. No slurping. And the microphone. The listeners get pretzled. All right, sorry. I do that with water. It's so bad. All right, yeah, so this has definitely seen some heat. High alcohol. A little bit of cherry, a little bit of like a strawberry thing on it. This is sonoma, right? Yes, sir. Yeah, Sonoma. So hot climate is 13. 14, 13. 13. Yeah, so hot hot ear, a lot of big fruit, alcohol's really hot on the back. acidity's there on the side. Get a little mouthwater pucker. Not bad. Very, very classic Sonoma coast. Pinot Noir. Yeah, from a hot year. Let me ask you this. There's a little bit oak in there, too. Not much. Are you feeling that the piano solo from Don't Stop Believing. Does a movie never end? Does it go on and on and on and on? And on? I feel like the most fun thing ever is for people to listen to wine notes. It must be so much fun Well, no, but that's why we have a legit Psalm slash blue men on to, by the way, do they allow women in the blue

[13:24] man group? Yeah, they do, but the tits always hurt. Whoa, whoa, family show. Wait, what? They chase their nipples. You have to tape down your necks? Yeah, so they Spanish them all the way and so there's just not a... Wait, because are they like they have to be topless? No, they have to look like men. They have to look as androgynous as possible. Some fucking bullshit. It's not called the blue person group. It's the blue man group. It should just be the blue girl. I don't know. Family freaking show. I'm with Blue. You're my boyfriend. Did you give blues clues cease and desist when they started coming out or no? No, no, but I actually, I'm friends with Steve Vern since, like, we've made many a joke about such a thing. Nice. All right, Trump. All right, so now that it opens up in the glass a little bit, any... I think this is fine. This is nice drinking wine. It's not so much a don't stop believing wine to me. This is more of a lady in red, like, uh, merge style? Oh, God, I love that song. You mean, like, lady in red, like, lady in red? The very one. Or is it a simply red? Well, he actually... Well, I don't get the freeze. Is that the, is that the guy with the, like, the half? Yeah. You know, I never listen to that stuff. Lucky. I'm just kidding. All right, all right, all right. So what are we moving what are we moving to next? Is everyone cool with the? does everyone else think? I taste it and I get Cherry Rain coming down. I taste it in my mind and I spread it all around. I've had a few, but not that many. But this is the one that gives me good and plenty. Wow. Wow, that didn't work. It's a freestyle. No, that's a quote. That's a quote. And I'm gonna give, I'm gonna, I'll give up some sort of prize that doesn't exist to whoever can name the source.

[15:13] got me. Is it a musician? Yeah. Is it a journey song? I mean, you can stay on subject, bro. Because you said cherry rain, purple rain. No, but you also, no, Cherry Moon. Under the cherry moon. Under the cherry moon. The Cherry Moon. You're getting your food. This was juicy fruit by Mtume. Yeah, okay. I see how we're rolling with you. By the way, speaking of rolling. I know it's not his song, but Little John makes a wine. Maybe for the next time. Oh my god, I'm kind of do that. Little John makes a wine. Apparently ACDC makes a wine. Oh, they said they couldn't get it to us fast enough. Yeah, they do make a wine. Is it made in Australia? How could ACDC not get it to as fast enough? Australia. First of all, I'm just going to say this about winemakers, right? So ACDC, when you go to see ACDC in concert,

[16:01] doesn't matter how old they are, doesn't matter, like, whether they, you know, whatever's happening to them. They play the songs just like the album. The solos are exactly like the freaking album. Every time they come out with an album. It sounds roughly the same, and Angus was once quoted. Yeah, he's like, well, if it sounds different, wouldn't be ACDC, would it? And then like, and so like, yeah, or he had an interviewer once say, well, what do you think about the fact that you've made 12 albums that sound exactly the

[16:26] same? And he's like, it's not true. We've made 13 albums. Best retort ever. But anyway, my point being is that a band that can do that for that many years and kick so much behind at it.

[16:37] Awesome line making potential there, right? Because they're, like, they're, like, Right. Because they're good at that golf game. They can keep going. Same. Do it, do it, do it, do it. do it. They're not like all over the map. You know what I mean? They're not trying to do a country record this time. Right. Imagine. That would be cool. I'm like, that actually sounds good. I could listen to a country thunderstruck. The gourd should start doing ACDC and not just do, uh, you know. There's some bluegrass band that does ACDC covers. awesome. And it's not the gourds. Is someone else? I don't know. They also do the fighting ones? They also do Maiden too. Maybe your guys, maybe that's the one. I like that you choose late. 80s ACDC as your go-to to turn into a bluegrass thing. You don't choose like, you know, you don't choose back in black. you don't do bon Scott. You like, go straight for like 1988, 89 Thunder. Razor's

[17:27] Edge Tour. Yeah, the guitar thing. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I'm feeling it Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. It's really wow, wow.

[17:40] Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. We'll get their wine on eventually. All right, so what are we tasting now? All right, number two. We got the, this is the, once again, DOM finale. Oh, access. Oh, all access. gets you into the winery. So this one is about like, I think it's supposed to be more accessible, more kind of friendly, more available, all access pass, drinking it in

[18:08] the back of stage with your buddies, brings people together. That's what the Spiel says on the website. Because I read that. Oh, I

[18:14] suppose I'm like strong. I appreciate the theoretical camaraderie. I have with the musicians. Do you think these guys are really drinking wine backstage? I don't know. You tell me. Some of them, yeah, totally. I mean, they might not be drinking their own, but they should if they have it. But yeah, no, I would say it's more of an age thing, you know? Younger guys. Like when you age out of whiskey, you start making wine. Never age out of whiskey. When you're trying to, you know, watch your waistline, you don't want to drink like 32 bud tall boys every day. You know what? You should you should tell Dave Arnold about water shots. You should tell Dave Arnold about water shots. Oh yeah. How to, yeah, water shots? Water shots. Yeah, a couple of Coachellas ago, I went to Coachella with Tommy Lee. Did you see did you see holographic Tupac? I did I wasn't that one, but this wasn't the one. Yeah. He wants to be on the show. He's already cut 5 songs about it. Um, and anyway, uh, so his fiance charged me with making sure he doesn't, you know, doesn't get

[19:15] dehydrated or doesn't get too, and, you know, out of... What are you talking about? Rock stars and do drugs. So I invent, he like doesn't, when Tommy is drinking. He doesn't like to drink water because he's like, that's for... Um, so anyway, I invented a way to make him drink water and that was to do it like a shot, like go and get a, you know, a little solo, you know,

[19:37] pull and spring and be like, all at once and we would chug it and slam it and he'd be like, yeah, water shots. And then he realized this actually made him feel good. This is the desert. So that's kind of how we did it. So we would do that every time we saw a water station. You'd be like, yeah, everybody, come on, shots. and like get people and chug it and throw them down. This can be a thing. can start this. It's fun, actually. We do it all the time. Yeah, we do it. Jordan and I do it. It's Jordan professionally. Oh, sorry. Registered trademark. What do you what do you go by when you're not being professional? Jordana. Dave Arnold. Dave Arnold. Nobody wants nobody wants that. You can go with Dave Arnold all day. It's like, you know, steal my identity, please. Is this the same guy? We're staying with the same winery for now. We're going to taste his white at the end. All right, yeah, so this guy is a big boy. It's like 15% alcohol in this guy and definitely a lot of Zen cabin there. It's got a little funk on it, little British action needs to blow off a bit. Yeah, they already like, I swirled it and it's already gone. Like it had something at the beginning and now it's, yeah. Yeah, just needed to blow off a bit. But this is this is easy drinking. Is this a backstage wine? This is, to me, this is totally like a backyard barbecue, any sort of like, you can just, you can, you can just knock this back and get hammered. Is it high alcohol? Because, like, all access pass, you know, bring in girls. Yeah, exactly. Groupies. Not a groupie one. It's a fun fact for people about Nastasio and Hammer Lopez, because Nastasio was, apparently, the queen of going backstage without performing any sort of actions. That's what she said.

[21:15] But corn disagrees.

[21:22] But if you're going to choose one group to break that rule on, corn? She's down with the new metal. I think this is like, no, it was boy vod, actually. This is the wine. This is the wine that makes the blue man women's ace bandages come right off. You know what I mean? pop, pop the little metal. Yeah. I think this is just a easy, fun wine, not much to it, no aftertaste, really. after taste. That's a that's a 1st for a song ever. No after taste. Damn, there's no real after taste. It just kind of... It's for quaffing. You just sit and just throw this back. Getting after notes of nothing. Just fades into a water shot. Nothing is nothing to this. You get album name. All right, so wait, now we're moving on to the pinup is one of the ones that's done with David Coverdale. Yes. So this is David Coverdale. Now, the other thing I want to say about these guys about DLM, and their website is DLM wines, right? dot com? I think so. And what's interesting is, is they, a lot of their rock star things, they do for charity. So they'll they'll get like all of Journey or David Coverdale to sign a bottle and

[22:33] bottles and then they'll do a charity. So I know that one of the things they did with Journey made a lot of money for the Make a Wish Foundation. So it's kind of an interesting, an interesting model. I just don't stop believing. Did you guys ever watch First Sweet Feast? did a did a series of like tasting, um, tasting

[22:52] celebrities spirit brands with Jim Meehan and um, Danny Brown? Wow. And his tasting note for all of them was taste like pussy. Hey, family. Gosh. You mean feline. You guys cannot be getting a note of cat urine. When I 1st went through, like, any sort of SOM training, they kept hearing this thing. Oh, that's very feminine. Oh, wait, wait, wait. this one. Wait, wait, wait, wait. This one's this one's not this one's not the Coverdale. Wait, amazing. Pin up. Pinup Cabernet is the favorite wine of the owner, Dennis

[23:28] Della Montagna. He came up with a blending concept many years ago when the winery opened in 03 wanting a pinup label and being a photography enthusiast. He took his own pictures and had them placed on the bottles. It has since grown in popularity. Now, our own wine club members volunteered, had their pictures taken on the bottle. So this is not, is not the Coverdale. I apologize, not the Coverdale, not the Coverdale. So this guy wants to be a rock star. He's friends with you. with the rock stars. With Coverdale. He is friends with Coverdale. But this is not as... So this is not, by the way, if we're going to talk, we have to link it to a rock star. best pinup album cover of all time. Vargas, the cars, Candio, come on. agree with you. It's an awesome one. I don't know. This is hardcore, but pulp is pretty good. There's a blur. That's not, yeah, no. This is hardcores. That's a photo. Well, I guess it doesn't matter. It's classic. They, like, like, the cars literally got Vargas to do their album cover. Yeah, without know. I mean, I don't it's not even... Not for Duran Duran Rio, too. Really? I like this wine. You like this wine or no? It's like, it's easy. It's fruity. juicy. It's a jammy fruity. This is California in your face. It really is. Where are you from originally? Me? Mississippi right outside of New Orleans. Really? So you don't like having California in your face. Oh, no, I've been many a good evening that way. All right. Okay. So you're not like, you're not like a mud bug aficionado. I do love the mud bug too. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's fair few holes, I won't chrome in. Oh, man. Uh-oh.

[25:01] This is this is fun. I mean, it's it's jammy and fruity. there's no way around that No, it's Big Jammy. This is like, this is like slutty wine is what this is. This is like, this is like, uh, like, how do you describe it? It's like, um, Parker style, but like big people who like that big style. So before the backlash that started in 807, Like, it used to be that, like, Americans, we made our bones on these

[25:28] giant freaking wines, right? Like Naturleys, the screaming eagles that were unavailable, really expensive only by Liz. No one had them. And then, and those were in response, I think, to kind of like what Robert Parker liked at the time. And then what happened was, is you had a bunch of like young bloods being like, I don't like that. I hate it. I want austere. And then everything went austere. You know what I mean? Oh, that's just because they couldn't afford it. You think so? Seriously. Oh, yeah, totally. And to this day, I'm like, you know what? Like if you're at home, and here's what happened. The market got glutted with $10 giant fruit bombs, right? That were all like over tweaked at the winery, and then you had like a situation. So like back in like in the 90s, the best deal on Earth was the $10 black label Rosemount, Shiraz, right? It was it was like under 10. We were all dirt freaking poor, and I was like, I had this for under 10 bucks. You know what I mean? And like they were only making a certain amount of it, but then all of a sudden you realized that they made enough of it. eventually when it got popular to fill Lake Michigan. You know what I mean? And the quality obviously didn't stay as high as it did. We all got kind of sick of this style. It became more affordable and therefore became something that nobody liked and everyone wanted something more kind of austere. And I think it's like I was saying earlier, I don't know whether I said it on air. Like, there's music that I like now that I hated when I was a kid because I'm old enough to realize that everything has a place. You know what I mean? And I think the same thing goes with those big kind of fruit bombs. Like, they are an American thing, and we should just embrace them. Just don't drink them all the freaking time. I mean, but like, you know, you you get a really nice Montebello Ridge, which is a fruit bomb and a half, but it's complex and sexy and

[27:12] just... I mean, it goes so great with steak. You know, why wouldn't why would deny yourself such a hedonistic pleasure? Like a Bueller cabernet with a steak? Yeah, come on now. I had a 13 Bueller this weekend. And every time I do that, you know, I do the I do the Ben Stein. Bueller. You have to. Bueller. Nine times. Yeah, good. My wife is very sick of my antics at this point. She's just like, we just had the freaking steak. All right, what are we drinking now? That's a big grand finale. Oh, this is the super fans. This is the super fans. So this is, again, back to Journey. Yeah, this but this is the fanciest one of the line. I'm trying to see which one is the, oh, the purple cuve, which we'll have next is the David, is the David Coverdale one. I think it's called White Snake. We just need white snake whites. Why, no, there's a white that they sent, but there's also the white snake purple. White Snake Zinfandel still. He made something called White Snake's Infidel, which is frigging amazing. Amazing. Amazing You got to play to the strengths of... But it's not a white zen. That's the thing. it was purple. Oh, yeah. Oh. Do you know that Dave Coverdale was in Deep Purple? Yes, he was. I didn't. For a couple years, yeah. Yes, he premiered on the album Burn. With Glenn Hughes as double lead vocalist, also the bassist. Glenn Hughes. Glenn Hughes is amazing. So I have 2 badass tenors. Oh yeah, see, this is much more austere. Yeah, this is Bordeaux. Yeah, that's how you smell it. This is like this is his left bank Bordeaux, you get. I think it's quite nice. Cap Solomerlot Kev Tronk right on the nose. I think this quite nice. This is like Bon Iver. Boney there. We went from Journey to Bon Iver. We just went. Is that how you're supposed to pronounce that? I don't know. You cannot say like it's French? not like Bon Heaver. No. Which makes me want to say it exactly the way you did. Yeah you totally should, man. Like, down there in by New Orleans way, you might mispronounce every French word, but not in an American way, in some sort of weird New Orleans way.

[29:12] He's from Mississippi, just to be clear. Yeah, but it's all the same crap. Low countries, low country. 30 minutes from high school to French quarters. Yeah, okay. Low country, low country. doesn't matter I got a saint sticker on my car. There you go. You have a car. So cool. By the way, by the way, so you'll understand this being from that area. When I

[29:32] was when I was going to get my dogs neutered, I kept on saying I was going to chop a

[29:37] tulis their balls on. Oh, nice, nice, nice. Just so they wouldn't know what you were talking about. so great. Yeah. I like the Dave. This is really nice. This is delicious wine. getting notes of wheel in the sky. and I like it. This needs more time. Don't know where we're going to be tomorrow. I know. Hopefully back here, this is fun. Exactly. Nice. I like this is delicious. It's a straight up Bordeaux, nice. Is this as limited batches? This is this is his most limited. This is his most limited one. This is only 60 cases. This is 85. Yeah, but this is his highest end one. This is also 2010. And it's the finale, right? So it's a, it's a, it's a what's it called between the winery and Jonathan Kane. Collaboration. That's the word I was looking for. I personally hate collecting. I hate collaborating. Really? I hate it. I know. First of all, I'm just bad at it. For those of you that want to know, like, Nastasia has found what it's like working. Yeah, but we're, yeah. Nastasia knows what it's like working with me and she's describes it this way. Look at the 1st pilot episode of Veep with Julia Dreyfuss. When she, when she, like, has someone sign the document for

[30:55] it, comes out and says, the amount of incompetence in this office is stagger ring. Like, that's like, that's it. like, that's what it's like. read your mind today. Nastasia, Nastasia and I are good. We've been together for like 8 years, so like working together for 8 years. So she, she read my mind because I was like, it's hot. She's like, yes, I know ice bucket. I'm like, You know what I mean? Do you make her feel appreciated? No. No. Altogether now. But does Sassi and I are like that? You know what I mean? Like, she doesn't make me feel like I'm like, she's like, she's like, you know, whatever. It's, it's, it's, it's, a little waist. I didn't I didn't make fun of you today. All right. I think it's delicious. You want to go to purple? Let's go to purple. We got a hurry. Yeah, finish this one. All right, we have more glasses. I'm here to talk about Burning Man. We had a question. Someone wanted to do Burning Man. Why don't you, while we're opening this next bottle? Why don't you talk about what the cocktail you made at Burning Man? Rothman. Formerly of Timeout New York. writer of the book. What was the Taco Book called? Tacos? Tacos. Recipes and provocations. Thank you, man. That's great book. Thanks. I wrote it. I wrote it. wrote that book. With my word. Yeah, I would have signed it with a... I'm supposed to write another book now. Well, we're opening this also. Oh, no, no, tredana, go in, go in, go in, go in, Talk, talk, talk. So last summer we made an acidulated cordial so that we could, the problem that we were solving was to make a shelf stable margarita for Burning

[32:25] Man, and we did it, even though you were a huge ass, you were a huge asset to the process. You know, you know, you know what I like, I challenge all of you in your meetings. If anyone listening here has meetings, like to go in that meeting and slip this in to someone next to you. You're a huge ass hat to the team. Now, it sounds like you're saying asset, you're actually saying ass hat. So you got to slip it in. Yeah, you're a huge ass hat to the team. And then, and then like just like, let it drop. They'll hear asset and you said asset. And you feel so good about yourself. Amazing. amazing. I have tried to get my wife to do this in her meetings for, but she's my wife's like, she's like, you know,

[33:06] she wants to do it, but she's like too professional. She's amazing. Anyway, whatever. because we have a good content. There's gonna be one person one day that inspires it. Yeah. You know, and... Also, like, we've put it out there to our the cooking issues crew. Someone out there is like, hopefully tomorrow. We'll tweet back to the cooking issues at cooking issues with I used ass hat to the team. So the dude that wrote in about the tiramisu? No, no, no. Right? got crme brulee, crme brulee. That's right. He wanted to make he wants to make crème brulee. We have another person who wants to make a cocktail this year. Oh, so he should cordial. He wants to make the cordial. So basically the deal was we approximated the flavor of fresh lime juice using

[33:46] malik and lactic acid in like store bought, um, orange juice, which worked out super, super

[33:53] well. actually. It was like a like the ratios were good. We just didn't use fresh line, which you were very upset about. Super upset. But that was the whole point of the problem. The whole point was that you can't bring fresh lines into the desert because they don't stand up in the desert. So we got as close as we could. And it was great. And I felt very proud of it. I would recommend to that guy that he, I brought like a large Poland

[34:16] Spring, uh, water cooler, water cooler jug so that he could, I could mix it in

[34:22] that and I kept it underneath the trailer and it worked out really well. All right, right. And it worked out super well. Dave's an asset to the team. People enjoy it? People loved it. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. They're literally like... And you hand them any cocktail or puzzle past ever. You could have served them poison. I just want to point out that there wasn't a time. There was a time when I was your favorite person. Dave, what happened? They're so mean to me. That means loves you. Jordan, the harder I am on you, the closer you are. Oh okay. That sounds like every abusive relationship ever. Give me... Give me some purple. Give me some purple. This is white snake, purple, cuve. Purple, purple. This is court. Perps. It was as porked as you can assist. This is awful. Yo, David, David, whoa, whoa. before we do that, does anyone else do some Harold McGee on this? Does anyone have some plastic wrap? Whoa. Does anyone have plastic wrap? We can get rid of this. We can get rid of it. Yep. There's plastic wrap on these. Get it in. Get it in. Get it in. So Dave Arnold, for those following at home, just jammed some soiled saran wrap into his wine glass. It's not soiled in the way that like Frank Oz with Jim Belushi's condom says soil. One condom, one prophylactic soil. But, like, honestly, honestly, if that helps, if what you're doing right there helps. Really? Yeah, no, I'd sooner pour that down the drain. Like pour it down the pour it down. Like, what are you doing? Hey, I want to drink that. We did a test. And he's swirling it as well. Yes, it looks it's smacking. It looks like a glass full of tenor of a tampon now. It's like a Tampa. So the molecule is, yeah, do it to yours. The molecule is attracted to the plastic. This is the theory. We've done this test with Harold McGee, and the large surface area of the plastic in the contact will preferentially absorb the corkedness. TC, well, my brain is so shafted TC. My brain's gone. I get it a minute. So if you're in a desperate situation, like if you're desperate, there's nothing else to drink. Water shots. How long do you like? Okay, get your plastic wrap. in a big bowl because you want to flash that stuff off. is volatile. No, it's gonna still be there. it a minute. Christino. You just, like, kind of scroll it around like this? And then no, and then actually, so he's now, I want to narrate this because what he's doing is he's squeezing out the saran wrap into it with his dirty

[36:49] fingers and then... Rock and roll. Dano Spitzer is going to suck on the soil. This is making me gig. This is so important. still there. It's less. It's less. It's less. It's still there, but it's less. Tasting side by side, side by side. If I say what a red stained plastic thing looks like on the radio, I will... not wrong. It's less. And then just to continue the narration, Clifton, spat it into the spit bucket. With a horrified look on his face. Speaking of horrified, this date that's outside of our window is not going well. Yeah, no. There's a date outside of our window. Clifton is vomiting. Right in front of them. I have to admit, it is slightly less. Yeah. Boom. Slightly less. That Dave Marlon story. As we say, enfrancais, boom. Boom, boom. But if you could see the label in this one label, the label

[37:44] is pretty. So it's slightly less terrible. Slightly improved. You guys, cheesiest label to date. Yeah, it's pretty best. Well, it's White Snake. Thank God. Look, white snake. Look, not for nothing. Do you know that David Coverdale was married to that... Yeah. And I'm thinking, what was that video they did together? Here I go again, am I? And still of the night. She's on a white Jaguar. No, but there's another one he did with her. Like, what's it, slow it, what's it, what's that song called? Is it Silva? No, they did still a night. She was in that one. Here I go again. On your own? Here I go again. How many different roads have you known though? I'm going down a different... Yeah, he's only known one road. That's the whole point. That's what's so genius about that song. It's not like a Robert Frost thing. there's no choice Nothing. No, no, no, no. The point is that you tried to divert from the road that he knows. And now he's like, you know what? This is who I am, this road, back to the road. And the problem is she's on the front of the car. How can he see where he's going? That's true. It doesn't matter. the only road. That's true. Here's the thing. It's the only road he's ever known. We think of it as like a one direction thing. But obviously, it's the only road and he's been there and back. He's like just taking the same road back and forth. Well, he's a drifter, so over. He's on a roundabout. Ultimately, he kind of... Songs about cul-de-sac. about that song, too. One, white's name. Fun fact number one. That song is actually a white snake cover of a white snake song. What? It is on an earlier, earlier album before he had a real deal. And the lyric was like a hobo. I was born to walk alone. So he covered himself for that. Number two, Dale. If he had said hobo, then like John Stewart would have Markdale's covers, covered it. That's right, exactly. And the other thing is... The flavor profile of this wine seems to be taken off of the residue from the top of the

[39:32] Jaguar from the here I go. You guys, man. Let me taste it. Also, I met a driftware this weekend and he gave me knockoff candy. we have my point. Here's my point. Like, the wine is corked. We shouldn't judge the wine off the fact that it's court. But I will say this. If you're backstage at a white snake reunion, right, let's take your backstage. hard liquor

[39:53] only because why am I there? Don't you don't want to have to bring an opener, go go screwcap. Yeah, agreed. You're not aging purple coops. But you know what you could do is just smash it on the hood of a white jaguar and drink it out of the jagged edge. First of all, that era of Jaguar was the least reliable car on freaking earth. Like, making Jaguars are the worst cars ever made. You're saying that to me, like, I'm claiming that they're the best cars ever. No, you said, don't have that Jaguar. Is a mistake. know what I mean? That's all I'm saying All right, so oh, we're moving on to the next winery. We going to come back. We're going to taste the wine for these, but we're on to, by the way, Les Claypool, huge influence on me. Les Claypool has a winery called Claypool Vineyards. And I first I actually only ever saw Primus once in concert. What did you see? 91. Ah, follow tour. Really? With Fishbone. There was Shirley season. Oh, I saw them in New Haven at the palace and in the middle of a song, I forget what it was. It was like, maybe it was defied the laws of creation, or like, or Mr. of Know It All. They call me Mr. know it all. when he goes, he stops and he really's like, he's like... I hope none of you are taking

[40:57] hallusionary drugs. They're illegal and they're bad for you. And he's like, dude, I was like, what the hell, Les? You're so freaking high. They were amazing. Amazing. But we were having an argument before the show started over the best Primus album, and it's clearly fizzle fry. like straight up. Fizzle fry. Anyone who says anything else should be shot in the face. Like, Fizzle Fry is their best album. not saying I want to shoot you. But, wow. They basically... First of all, like, uh...

[41:27] Blue Man, the winner's jumping. I rehearsing. I'm rehearsing for our bottle orchestra. As Daniel Grich are trying out for the blue man group. Listen, so the thing about that tour, so when I saw him in 91,

[41:39] first of all, fishbone was awesome, obviously. Incredible. Fishbone was amazing. And, you know, like, at that time, people don't remember what music was like back then who are not our age,

[41:49] but, like, back then, you, back then, you, no, but back then, for those of you who are, you know, not in their 40s or 30s,

[41:57] like, it used to be hard to learn good music. It used to be like a thing you had to go do. You know what I mean? Like, Fishbone was never played on the radio and there was no Napster. Fishbone didn't get radio play until 92 was Sunless Saturday, and they made it on Saturday Night Live. They did a horrible job on Saturday Night Live. So much so that when I saw them in concert 2 weeks later, like they were heckled by the crowd until Angelo Moore went ape on the guy in the

[42:22] front, like screaming at him. But they were one of the greatest live acts I've ever seen, Fishbone, and Primus actually really crushed it. But back then it was so hard to learn to like, learn to know good music, especially I was an East Coast guy. I'd never been out west, even though I was born there in California. So like, but all of my big influences with that west coast, that west coast sound. You needed, like, to know the cool guy at the record store who was older than you. Yeah. That was the only way. Yeah, and you needed to spend $15 on his recommendation. You know what I mean? You know, and then he'd probably clown you a couple times. Yeah. It was very high fidelity. Yeah, like, for instance, like, I bought the wrong Busta Rhymes album back in the day. And I was like, it took me years, extinction level event, and I was like, it took me years to get back to learning what good

[43:09] buster. Not that that's a bad album bus. I was just saying. He was just on a, he's having a moment. Yeah. And it's not his best album. No, I would say definitely not. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you know, none of my Buster Rhymes phase are on that album. Anyway, so it was a big deal to buy an album unless your buddies already listened to it. So, uh, and I always ended up going on the tour after the album I really liked. So I loved Fizzle Fry. didn't see that tour, learned about it later, and went on the sailing seeds of cheese tour,

[43:37] which by the way, that's probably, that's if I, if I had to pick one album. Really? They have a couple of books. I'm not a big primacy. Yeah, but... Okay, so, oh, don't start with me. But like, so there's a guitar beginning to, there's a song called those damn blue collar

[43:54] tweakers, and the beginning of it goes, it sounds like you're diving in a submarine. It's like, That

[44:03] sounds so enjoyable. Yeah, the guitarist, the guitarist. The guitarist did that for like 10 minutes straight to intro the song. Okay, I think he wanted to clear out all the non-fans. I forget who was headlining, whether it was fishbone or... or once again, if you're on psychedelic drugs. Probably go home now. All right, so let's taste his wine. Which one of them is it? They sent three. This is the Russian River Valley 2013 Peanut Nowhere. This is an extremely huge. Have you seen that commercial? Classy looking label. There's a commercial. I don't even know what the commercial's for and I don't really care. But it's the best thing I've ever seen on a commercial in my life. The guy is trying to impress his date. And he goes, Pinot Noir, which means

[44:46] peanut of the night. And then he's like, I was like, boom. Anytime my wife and I have Pinot, we're like, it's peanut of the night. kind of like that. That's good. think it's good. It's good. It's good. It's a very, um, it's a very classy label. I was expecting something real goofy. This is really well made. It's really well made. Anyway, It's very subtle, which is not what I normally think of when I think of less claypool. It's rancho relaxing. Okay, listen, let's clay pool. Let's clay pool has... This is 1st of all, Les Claypool and his wife in 94, I read, bought a place, I guess, in Sonoma, right? And, um, they got interested in wine. And for a while, he was telling people to drink wine, I guess, as opposed to shrooms or whatever. I don't actually know what his drug of choice is. I know he used to do a lot of marijuana, but, um, I mean, he was probably high on hallucinatarian drugs when he told us not to take them. This is the pachyderm, uh, pinot. by the way. But this is, um, you know what? The guy is an extreme technician when it comes to base. Whether you like his bass or don't like his bass. He's an extreme technician. I happen to think the reason I like Fizzle Fry, the best of all of their albums is it has the best melodic sense. I think after Fizzle Fry in sailing season cheese, there's just so much virtuosity in all the playing from everybody that it doesn't become as enjoyable. Wait, can I just stop, can I just stop for a second? Yes, definitely. Jizzle fry? I can't take anything seriously called fizzle fry. Too many puppies. You know what a fizzle fry is? Okay, I think shop, and then when you get French fries and there's like the small ones that have like, that have gotten really, really well done. No, I actually really love those ones. Oh, sorry. Because like they're the crystal ones. Just a quick note, it's actually frizzle fry. Oh, frizzle fry. Let's claypool. That makes it sound like a bad air day. Less clayful, huge jack. A lot of fishing references and let's play for songs. Fish on, fish on. Herald of the Rocksman? Yeah. Does he like to fish? I just think you get disqualified from the world of music for the name Frizzle fryer. How old are you? How the hell old are you? 38? You should know better. Nah. Democrats, I remember you when you turned 30. I know, remember that? Strange, strange, tint movie, drummer for all that stuff. Tim Herb Alexander? Well, we have a lot of Claypool wines here. Once he left the world of Primus, he joined the Blooming Room. I played the game many times. Come on. Is he cool? Super cool. Good drama. Amazing drummer. Justin, you are such a find. you. That's all I'm going to say... going to say I love that 1st Claypool wine that we had. thought it was great. It was great. I was actually bummed that you brought it out to put in this other one. We have a whole bottle. All right. But see, I've got it all mapped out. It's gonna work out great. So we have 2 single vineyards going into the combined ones. But I wish that they weren't all called the same thing. I wish we had like Herald and Rocks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe some differentiation. what was the difference? The one we just tried was the one we just said, so both of these are from the Sonoma coast. Since I can feel that Clifton and I are the only Primus fans. What's your favorite Primus lyric? I have mad respect. We need new pornos. That's a good one. Do you even know what this show is about and who is listening to it? I just like Winona having a big problem here. Oh, that's later, though. They already lost me at that point. That's still a good lurk. Yeah. Because she does show it all. Didn't Les Claypool get together with Butthouse from the limomaniacs and do something? Why are you looking at me? I don't know That's the best basist name of all time, Butthouse. Wasn't that his name from the limomaniacs? Anyone? Butthouse? No idea what you're talking about. Have you met Buckethead? I have met Buckethead. Oh! Without Clifton. Come on. How was he? Was he cool? It was super cool. It was when he was doing the show with GNR at Radio City. Really? Now, if you tell me that you actually know who the residence is, I'll stab you in the face. And I saw the residents tripping on mushrooms at the Warsaw in 2002. Really? Les Claypool. Were you tripping or were they tripping? Prime is covered, yeah. Miscellaneous debris. Yeah, and and the album, best album name, maybe ever, duck stab. Duckstab is a great record. What are you guys talking about? Do you guys want to let me know when I can come back? James Brown. Let's just start singing. Okay, here I am again on my own. I thought you were going to go into the limomaniacs. The toilet's flooding. The low down the only road I've ever known. Let me just figure out before we taste this, let's figure out where we are, like, personally. Do you guys know, like, the alien Jorgensen, uh,

[49:26] Jello Biafra, like, lard? do you know, lard? No. No. Do you know what? We just... What? 1000 homo DJs? No, is that the same guys who did 1000000s of dead cops? Yes, that's awesome. Is that is that in Manage Z cops, guys? No, no, but it's analysis project. Really? Nice. So we found our level... Does he want us to leave, Dave? I've also I've also realized that Dave, you like absurdist lyrics in your in your

[49:53] rocket. I do. Okay. Well, like, to some degree. To go to Jellobi Offa for a second. Best other best album other than duck stab, fresh food for riding vegetables. Yeah, fantastic. All right, but we got a taste, we got taste. All right. So, so this is the, uh, this is the rice spivic vineyard. So both of these have been single vineyards that we've had, and we're gonna take from the single venues and then we're gonna do the one where they're combined. All right, and then we got to we got to do some we got to do some Virginia. We got to leave time. We don't have a lot of time to go. We're really on a serious agenda here. We haven't even hit the whites. What do you call me? I like the other one better. That's my that's my Yeah, me too. Well, you know what, though? This one's this one wants to be a little warmer than this. Yeah, it's a little cold. A little chill. Both very well made. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Les Claypool and whoever they have making their wines is doing an excellent

[50:45] thing. I'm going to give him a double thumbs up on that. These are base technicians. He's his own Siskel and Ebert. All right, let's go to Virginia. Let's go to Virginia. go to Virginia. We'll eat that. We have time at the animal Jason. Stipulated, let's play pool and his wine fold. Good peoples. Good peeps. All right, let's go to Virginia. Stas, bring him out. Bring him out. These ones? This is Dave Matthews, who is from South Africa. He's from South Africa, but he grew up in Virginia. We're white and white. Star Rosé. Star Rosé. No rosé. Oh, I thought you said you bring Rosé. What is happening? I feel like we've been waiting for a while with this music discussion. I'm just saying. Yeah, good point. All right, here's the Vionet. how do you pronounce it? Most of the show is about... So Vionet is the state grape of Virginia, which makes no dang sense at all because they discovered a freaking wine grape in Virginia called Norton, a.k.a. Cynthiana, but it's very hard to find Norton

[51:40] wines or Cynthiana wines that are good and or made. Because it's not Benefra. Right. It's how do you pronounce that? Estevalis or whatever, like, like, like, Estefan or whatever, like whatever it's called. It's bad species. Have you had a, have you had a Norton you hated? I've had Norton, it's fine. It's just, there's not a lot. Here the thing about Norton. Everyone says... Now I have, and Norton's chilling with Mario. one of my favorite Beastie Boy lyrics going through my head. But, like, my point is, is that, um, I feel that having read from

[52:12] producers that Norton is given a bad rap because you need to age Norton for at least a good Norton for at least a 5 to 6 years before you drink it, and then it's only good for

[52:24] another, like, 2 years. crazy. Yeah. And so I think there's a guy, maybe we go, maybe we go, insane, outside of St. Louis, in Missouri, there's a Norton tasting, a 10 year Norton tasting, if you ever want to go. All right. What are we drinking? wants a new best friend. Lion, Lion, Lion, Vineyards. You want to hang out one time? I think it's probably Blenheim. I think it's probably Blenheim. This is Virginia. Vionier is the grape. This is Dave Matthews bought this vineyard, I

[52:49] think in like 2000 and early. And... 15, so it's a very modern... Right, no, but I mean, I think he's owned. I think he bought he built that thing on it. He, um... They have a bunch of winemakers. I forget the winemaker's name. She seems cool. I looked her up on the website. Here's a fun fact about their vineyard, literally next door to Trump Vineyards. Literally next door to Trump Vineyards. And I looked this up and I was like, Trump Vineyards, crap on you, not because of political reasons, but because the guy doesn't drink. So why should he own, which I don't knock him for not drinking because his

[53:24] brother, like, had a severe drinking problem. I don't knock it. But I'm saying, don't own a don't make a vodka. Don't own a winery, but the winery, actually, if you actually look it up, no matter what he said in the debates, he doesn't make the wine. He's not affiliated with the wine. His son Eric is the sole owner. Trump, Donald Trump at the Donald real Trump, whatever this thing is, he does not own Trump's winery, but they're right next door. I'd rather have him spend more time on that than the other stuff. He doesn't drink. I don't want a guy making a wine he doesn't drink. Yeah. You know who does that? The monks at Cho Chu's. They have their stuff twice an hour. don't they? Amazing job. killing it. Yeah, but none of them have some practice. Two guys now. and they can't fight. All right, all right, all right. Clifton, give me this. Give me. Give me. I think the nose is great. It's really light. It's really fun. It's super easy on the palate, great coiffure. This is a salt water swimming pool water. Now, now, now talk to me. What do you think about Virginia wine in general? Do you have a lot of experience with it? experience with them, but it's something that I've really been getting into lately, especially the cab fronts. I find like Virginia just to be kind of a... It's really cool for historical reasons because there was this dude way back in the day...

[54:40] named Thomas Jefferson. And he was like a big Bordeaux hound and he was really... Yes. He wanted to make Virginia into wine. And so it's like they've been trying and trying and trying and their work and they've been really kind of doing really well the last 20 years. Now, everyone got everyone, everyone got the everyone, yes, Hemmings, yes. We all got it. The one time I went to Monticello, by the way, which is only a couple miles from here, I went in. Actually, it says it here. No, but like the actual like Jefferson's Estate, the only time I ever went there. I went there and the ladies who are giving the tour there are like nuns for Jefferson. In other words, like, you can't insult Jefferson. You can't crack wise. They're like, they don't, they are not playing when you like mess with Thomas Jefferson. So don't go there and, like, Hemmings it up, making any wise. No jokes allowed. They look at you like, I made all kinds of wisecracks. And they were like, I grew up. used to just bring us to historical sites. That was like our family vacation. So I learned early on that no fun is allowed. No, my my stepfather made incest jokes at the Wright Brothers

[55:49] Museum in Kitty Hawk. He's like, 2 dudes alone all that time on the beach. Like, and like, the lady not having it. Anyway. So when I went to Monticello, what I found is that they have an amazing historical garden at Monticello and nobody's tending it.

[56:07] Go to Monticello right now. It's peak season and you can just rip all of the vegetables off of the vines and eat them. That's what I did anyway. I don't recommend that. That's not really nice. But they were not eating those possible. It's possible, and they're not eating it. a waste. Okay, so we like this one. I like this one. I think it's really nice. The interesting thing about Vionne is that apparently it finds a different expression, as all fruits do, in different

[56:30] locales. So Virginia thinks that they get a very good expression out of this grape as opposed to, let's say, where

[56:35] the sucker comes from. Ms. Rothman does not like this one. Who doesn't? Ms. Rock? doesn't like it? making faces. Why do you not like it? She called it a water shot. It's a water shot. That's not the case. That's not the case. It's a 13% water. I like that, I like that saltwater and swimming pool description. I'm gonna use that. No, no, but it's got the salty, but it's not like heavy mineral. It's not like it's not like oyster shells. You mean like plural notes? You mean also it's like an easy drinker. I mean, like, I would like to sit next to... You're on your inflated pool floaty... I always on my freaking floaty, wearing a hat and long pants. Which kind of supports Jordan's thing, which is it's like water. You guys, you're wrong. I have a wide range of float days if you guys want to. Which one is this? Which one is this, by the way? It has a very grassy nose. Why? Yeah, not a grassy knoll. I get honeydew and overripe pear. tennis ball or cat urine. Cat, you're... Okay, so this... So, uh... This is what? You don't like those mellow saxolos? This is their tasting note. Saliche, apricot, citrus blossom, peach melon, bright acid for the union. Okay, all right, let's go on to the painted white. Painted white? I wanna do all of them. Yeah, that's it. Painted white. I don't have to say about that. It's going to have to be 2 shows. Oh, it doesn't matter. Paint away, paint away. 2 of these, Dave. No, this one. are we still on this? Let them, let them. This one. No one is listening at this point, by the way. So that guy with the creme brulee. Oh, hold on, hold on. Painted, painted white. 2014, 65% Chardonnay. Whoa, whoa, 65 Chardonnay, 25% Vionnay, 9%, 7-on-blanc. And 60% of it's aged, aged for 10 months in French and Hungarian oak, Hungarian oak. Hungarian? It's Oak from Hungary. Wow. I could not have figured that. obvious. Okay. dessert ones. This one's a continent movie. This is a note directly from the winemaker. You ready? It's awesome. I made this I make this wine because I wanted to have a heavier boulder white wine in our lineup. This wine usually sees a larger percentage in Oak for a longer period of time than most of our other whites. I try to select the best and or more interesting varieties. We have to blend together to create this wine. By the way, Dave, the Blenheim Vineyards does they produce their own graves, but they also buy other Virginia graves, but all the grapes are from Virginia, not from outside.

[59:05] They're not like trucking California grapes in it. Is there a reason why water shop? What you call that that has to do with Glen Matthews? I don't know. to me is my favorite apricot. So every time I hear Blenheim, I'm super happy. Anytime I hear... One of them people open a restaurant in the West Village. Was it a pre-existing thing before Dave got involved? It might be because on his website, the history of the land, I was like,

[59:24] yeah, yeah, okay, whatever. Tell me about the wine. But there is some sort of history. There was a house. It burned down. It was called that. But the world's greatest apricot. Crap on anyone who doesn't believe it, is the Blenheim apricot, straight up. Punch you in the face if you don't like my apricot. I believe they never had one. Yeah, they're delicious. amazing. You better like California. Yeah. Anyway, okay, wait a second, wait a second. Some barrels will end up going through a malalactic fermentation, others won't. So it's a mix of some stuff that's gone maladic, some dope. yeah I'm really searching for it. I don't add malalactic bacteria to these barrels. It just sometimes happens when the sulfides get low. Some of the wine is in barrels from the juice stage, some of it goes into barrels once the Chardonnay and Villonier come out in early spring. Thanks so much for including our wines. I hope you enjoy them. It actually has like a nice acidity, though, but it doesn't you have a nice acidity. It's surprising because it's... It smells so sweet. It's like cotton candy and then it's... It smells exactly like cotton. Exactly the cotton candy. And then it's and then there's none of that when you drink. Andy Moore said, I'm missing you like candy. Wow. I like the switch. I like this in a good way. Okay, you're hired in the blue man group. Can you can you spit a ping pong ball up and catching your eye socket? All right, let's go, let's go. right over there. This is great. I like this. You don't like, we have a difference of opinion. Daddy doesn't like it. Daddy says no. Anthony, what do you got? What do you got? Daddy says good. I don't really like it. I like it. like both of these ways. I like both of these too. What's your clip? He doesn't like it. Cliff, what's your name? I find it to be very well put together. I find it to be very well made. It's a very, it's a good blend. It's a good mix, but like most of the white girls have dated when I lived in Mississippi. is fucking boring. Family show. He skated by. That was still family. Burn. Damn. They said the F-bomb. Now, listen, Jessica's crying somewhere. listen, I would be remiss. I would be, is that the name of the, is that the name of the girl? It was either Mary Margaret, Mary Lacy, Mary Helen. Okay, listen, listen, listen. One of the, I would be remiss if I didn't... I'm not actually gonna actually going to crack. I'm not gonna crack the joke because it's not good. I'm going to explain what the joke would have been. It's well not made. That's even worth sounds a good idea. on an hourly radio show, but let's talk about it. It's well known that it's well known that Dave Matthews tour bus driver dumped all of the poo out of the tour bus through a graded bridge in Chicago onto an architectural boat

[1:01:58] tour. What? And then they got coded in Dave Matthews poo. That the most rock and roll thing that band ever did. That's like, it's a well-known fact that, yeah, it's just like, they're all like, that's what happened. And they didn't give a shit. Family show. But the fact of the matter is, Dave Matthews was A, not on the bus. He was not on the bus. And they immediately apologized. They paid everyone. They didn't even get to be coded in Dave Matthews Pooh. No, no, no. I mean, he was his poo. Here's what's on the bus at the time. Have you ever been on an RV? I've never been on an RV. No professional poos on the bus. Speaking. Yeah. My point being that they, the bus driver, A, went to prison and B, paid a fine, was

[1:02:43] fired and Dave Matthews, like... He went to prison for that. Oh, he was the fall guy. No. No, Dave Matthews handled it very well. And the point is, is that a lot of his fans. And I'm not a fan. I, like, I don't don't care about that style of music. It's not my thinking. But, like, I don't hate him. I don't love him. He's just, I'm nowhere on him. It's some, it's sort of like, uh, I've never seen a fish concert. I've never seen a Dave Matthews concert. I did see a Grateful Dead concert in the 80s. But we want to talk about that? Yeah. Oh, 80s ripping. Yeah. But my point is, is that I have no, I have no pony in this race. But the thing is, he handled it well. How do you handle it? But that's it. No, but my issue is I was going to make a joke about fertilizing with his tour bus. Ah nice. But, you know, what? I don't even, I don't understand. You can use this to fertilize. There a lot of backstory you have to know to get. Yeah, I mean, such that's why I didn't do it. I got it, but you did do it. You did it for like 5 minutes. But I like I like knowing that story because I, I mean, I didn't even know that story, but I usually don't pay like the news alerts for Dave Matthews

[1:03:47] band, I turned, I never had them on. Really? Yeah, I did not even in like high school. but never. Look, the guy... I would have random notes, the hell out. Listen, listen. I like I like those wines that they made. I'm a huge supporter of not newer because it's 100s of years old, but like up and coming wine regions. So I'm like super jacked about Virginia wines in general. I really like that. I liked them both. And, um... Yeah, and I don't listen. Like I said, I'm not like musically that's not my my jammy jam, but... You like jam, though, if you like Primus, it's jammy. Yeah, but like that like, well, I'm a bassist. Definitely not to bring it back. a bassist. I a bassist. So if you're a bassist. Does that mean you hate bass players? No, I love play. That's bassist. That's yeah, that's basis. I missed that. okay Yeah. Anyway, and so like, there's no one that handles hammer-ons and taps in the way that Les Claypool does. I mean, and I'm a huge fan. I got Dave Matthews right now. What? no, yet. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, it's not, I'm not like, it's not like my style of music. You know what I mean? But he does do a lot of stuff like farm to table. He's from Virginia and South Africa, but he grew up in Virginia and he's gone back there. He has a farm there. He supports local farm. farm to table on the tour bus. That's for sure. Farm to tour boat. All right, I'm done talking. Hold done. No, he's cool. in that way. Yeah. And it's like, you know, the dumping poop off the tour bus kind of way. When's Steve Miller going to make a free wine? That'd be amazing. Do you like Steve Miller? I love Steve Miller. Yeah, he's incredible. You know what Nastasia once said? No hit songs. That's not right. The Joker? No hit songs? Steve Miller band's greatest hits. It's not accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. And Steve Miller apparently also good guy. paid the guy who wrote Big Old Jet Airliner. Paid him even though he didn't need to pay him, paid him, and that was the only money that freaking guy made. And he was blind. All right, so this, we're back to DLM. We're going back. That's the dude from Tenatuva. Exactly. Oh, and he also went to and became like the Mongolian throat singing champion. Yeah, which no one should do. I made a good documentary. That was a good movie. was a good movie. It was good, right? It's one of those weird things. It's called Genghis Genghis Blues, worth watching. It's not really 2 notes. People, people. It's not really 2 notes. They're just getting some resonance in their throat. Who's Daniel Dancers? You're just making Didgeri do noises, Daniel. That's no, that's that's dark. producing the harmonic above the fundamental tone. As we say, enfonse, error. That is not like, that's not really 2 notes. Two notes is producing like an A and a D at the same time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, you know not of what have you said? No, no, I enjoy not of what you speak. That's the issue. enjoy not of what you speak. Dave, you know a lot, but no, you like that stuff? I like it? No, but it's but it's interesting. You know what? Like, I can, like, like, kind of like, frizzle fry. I can listen to like Pakistani, like Sufi music, like the Sabri brothers all day long because that stuff rocks. Like people sitting down and trying to make harmonics with their with their throat. I agree. It's a party trick. I just dismissed a whole culture. That's rough. American. No, but that's Miracle. This comes in here. All right, let's go back. We on TLM. We on DLM. DLM Riesling. 2012 North Coast, the COV. Studio. Studio. Yeah really? Riesling. Look at the cave drawing that's on the label. Flying V. It's a caveman with a flying be. That is pretty strong. Flying V, by the way, not a very good guitar shape. Oh, but it's excellent for getting to high access. Rick Nielsen. Because there's no there's no stopping again. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, but most of those guys aren't really like, who played a flying V that like needs that? Like, who's like Randy Rhodes? I completely misunderstood Flying... Kirk Hammett. Clifton. All right. I lose. I lose. He's like a medalist. I think you've really met your max. I lose. I lose. I'm willing to know what I lose. Yeah, we can keep going. The F and V has its place. It's not a really good sounding guitar. Michael Schenker. But you do it for what you do. Michael Schinker. You know, it's not your only guitar on the stage, usually. But you whip it up for certain songs. My uncle, my uncle Marty sold everything he owned to buy a Flying V in

[1:08:21] 1979. Well, that was not a good idea. Yeah, it definitely was not a good idea. I mean, if you're having one guitar. Yeah, it's kind of it's a novelty guitar, but... At the time, he was going out with a go-go dancer. This was in New Jersey. I would have loved to party with them. That sounds like a great time. It sounds like a Springsteen. He bought his purse, flying B. like... throw it everything here. Come on, guys, everybody, grab a bottle. Let's play. Anyway, flying beach. I can still remember. I can still remember what you... I was only 8 or nine. what she looked like. It was like right before the 80s hit and she had that, she had that like that flare out in her hair and the frost, the slight frost and like

[1:09:09] the the cheek thing. don't know what you mean by that. You know, like the red on the cheek thing? Oh okay. a certain ruddiness? Not like, you know, rouge. I don't know. I don't know whether she was old school. It was just for hookers. Oh, you're calling my uncle's girlfriend from 1979 a hook. What I'm saying is that ladies pinch. Ladies pinch. Ladies pinch. Man rubber band. Man rubber band. Men contour. You dropped the rubber band. Hey, if you've never known anyone who has danced a man who's danced

[1:09:39] for a living, rubber bands play. We all know a man who's danced for a living because Clifton's here. He dances clothed for a living. He dances. That's what you think It's all pain. And he's not that close. Family show. He's closed now, people. I want you a visual image. We all have clothes on. Will someone take a group photo? Anyway, so we have a lot to get to that we're not going to get to. I'll get to it next week. I have questions on, uh, possible cancer links with Carraginen. For the Crab Rulee. For anyone who's still listening, Greg Blander from who's amazing. Go to his blog, Greg Blander, wants anyone to talk in, call in, tweet in about vacuum

[1:10:19] infusion, vacuum marination, and pressure marination, because we're going to talk about it on the show next week, our experiences with it. We have to talk about cordial Burning Man. I have a whole bunch of stuff I have to get to that's not rockstar wine related, but this has been the rockstar wine cooking issues. And maybe if ACDC sends us some more wine. will do it again sometime, but this has been a thank you, everyone. Cooking issues. What, no bottle workers? Come on. I been waiting.

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